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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 18:57:19 PDT
From: The Moderators <[e-mail]>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #157


Info-Mac Digest             Thu,  5 Aug 93       Volume 11 : Issue 157

Today's Topics:

      *** Don't throw away System 7 desktop files *** (C)
      Advice wanted: Deteriorating Finder font.
      Anyone familiar with LABtools?
      AOL
      A writer's machine (THANKS)
      Canon
      Case for Powerbook Harddisk (R)
      Civilization
      Crucial Music Question for Spelunx
      Desktop Reset
      Disabling Laserprinter startpage (R)
      Fraction Fonts
      Hiding applications
      Hiding the Names of Apps (A)
      How do I view Pugh's graphics files? (Q)
      HyperCard FAQ--doType? doKeystroke? (A)
      Idea for a product
      Info-mac CD: where ? (Q)
      Integrity...online
      Long filenames in archive (C)
      LW 8.0 Install Procedure??
      MacWrite Pro updater doesn't work for me!
      MacX requirements
      Mailing List & Label Printing Software
      MaxAppleZoom & MacLights
      Memory for Mac Portable
      Modifying Finder 7.1 to show file sizes in k [Q]
      MS Word 5.1 hyphenation
      multiple keyboard layouts?
      Navigation Software
      Now Compress [Q]
      PageMaker Installer Problem
      Personal LaserWriter NTR bug!
      PhotoShop Upgrade
      Privacy on the net
      Privacy on the net (C)
      Process Control Chart Toolkit
      Request for music notation demos
      Shared and copy-protect bits
      SIMMDoubler Experience
      SoundEdit Pro with Sound Manager 3.0
      The IIsi sound problem--the reason
      Windows NT (C)
      WindowsNT - (C)

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 16:41:33 PST
From: [e-mail] (Salient Software)
Subject: *** Don't throw away System 7 desktop files *** (C)

In article <[e-mail]>
([e-mail]), you write:

    Date: Wed,  4 Aug 93 08:56:40 CDT
    From: "Bill Frazier" <[e-mail]>
    Subject: *** Don't throw away System 7 desktop files *** (C)

    Others have written:
    >Unfortunately, one thing these files have in common across both
    >System 6 and 7 is that Finder often fails to maintain them properly
    >or, worse, volunteers to rebuild them and then fails to do a clean
    >rebuild. To solve this problem, Salient has released "Desktop Reset",
    >a patch-free System Extension, available via 'ftp' on sumex-aim, as
    >freeware.  Full details are available in its documentation.

    I got the Desktop Reset file from Sumex in response to one of the
    postings.  (It is located in info-mac/disk under the new scheme.)
    It comes with no documentation.  Installing a system extension, the
    operation of which is secret, is not really a good idea.

    Bill Frazier
    [e-mail]

Same as with the Finder.  Hold down the Command-Option keys on startup and you
will see a dialog asking if you really want to reset the desktop.  This will
repeat for each drive/partition on your system.

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Date: 04 Aug 1993 18:30:37 +0000 (GMT)
From: "NAME \"Fergus J. Lalor\"" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Advice wanted: Deteriorating Finder font.

I am running a Quadra 700 with System 7.0.1 (with tune-up) and Finder
B2-7.0. and a modest number of tried-'n-true bells and whistles.
Periodically - and, so far as I can see, unpredictably, the finder
font deteriorates, occasionally to the point of near-illegibility.
Restarting usually removes the problem but I seem to remember that
occasionally a desktop rebuild is required. Virex 3.6 and the current
versions of Gatekeeper detect nothing untoward. Can anyone suggest a
reason for this effect? Should I be worried? Thanks in advance -
Fergus J. Lalor, Chemistry Dept., University College, Cork, Ireland.
E-mail: [e-mail]

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Date: 5 Aug 93 14:23:54 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Marc S)
Subject: Anyone familiar with LABtools?

Does anyone have or know anything about LABtools?  Does it work?  Where can I
find it?  What is the latest version?

If you do, please email me any information that you have, I will summarize to
the net if necessary.

Marc    ([e-mail])

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 14:43:37 CST
From: "Wade Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: AOL

On 5-Aug-93, <> wrote:

>Gee, maybe what everyone says about AOL e-mail problems is true.  That will
>teach me to use AOL for e-mail.  Sorry about that.

AOL Email works fine.

>Now this comes as a surprise to me.  I thought it was only Plodigy(sic)
system
>operators that past around user's private e-mail.  Thanks for the insight.

I don't know what remote staff member forwarded your mail to someone else.
Though I'm not that person's boss, nor can I speak for AOL, I can tell
you that those of us on the remote staff consider it improper to
distribute a member's mail without asking first.  However, if you do not
want your mail distributed, it is good practice to include a note to that
effect to avoid any misunderstanding.

>Based on the AOL's rigidity and the above, I can't think of any reason to
>continue to send AOL my money.

Though I can't speak for America Online, I think it's safe to say that AOL
regrets the loss of any user.  If you have any complaints about AOL, you
can forward them to:

1)  The forum's leader if the problem concerns a forum or a forum staff
member.  If you do not know the forum's leader, contact me and I'll be glad
to give you their address.

2)  Customer service.  You can make such complaints by using keyword
SERVICE on AOL and leaving a comment.  It is my understanding that these
comments are read and tabulated.  Incidentally, time spent in the customer
service area is free.

In summary, I think AOL is the best commercial online service value out
there (but admittedly, I'm predjudiced).  I think you'll find yourself
losing a lot of dollars by switching.

Disclaimer for those who don't know:  I work for AOL as a forum
consultant.  That does not mean I'm an employee, it simply means I
volunteer my time.  My statements are mine alone and are not the opinion or
policy of America Online.

Wade Williams                      AFC Wade
Network Support Specialist         Forum Consultant
Auburn University                  Macintosh Development Forum
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 8:28:47 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: A writer's machine (THANKS)

The response to my query about a "writer's machine" was overwhelming: I've
heard from 15 people in less than a day. What surprises me more than
anything else is the level of consensus. Nearly everyone recommended the
same configuration: one of the LC machines (I, II, or if budget permits,
III), along with a 15" portrait-style monochrome monitor. Ink-jet printers
(DeskWriter and StyleWriter) also got lots of recommendations (I can
second this, since I use a DW and have nothing but praise for it). I knew
the Classic II wasn't a good idea, but I was trying to convey a sense of
the CPU power required by this particular person. Several people suggested
exploring the second-hand market, assuming a reputable dealer with a
warranty; and one suggested the PowerBook with an external monitor. Since
this person does a lot of travelling, I'll present that to him as an option.

In any case, I want to thank everyone who responded. This, for me, was an
example of a true electronic community at its best.

Tad Davis
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 16:11:09 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Nubi Achebo Ext. 4389 "Virtual Info Systems Now!)
Subject: Canon

Was this program uploaded as stated in the recent digest.  I
have searched for it without success. Even with Archie I was
unable to find it.  Let me know if its been uploaded or not.

Nubi Achebo
Pioneer Hi-Bred International
Johnston, IA
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 11:02:23 MET DST
From: Christian F. Buser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Case for Powerbook Harddisk (R)

[e-mail] asked:
> These days you can get internal hard disks (2.5") up to 213 MB for the
> Power- book. If I'd replace my internal 80 MB hard drive with a 213 MB
> Toshiba or 160 MB Quantum, however, I'm stuck with a spare 80 MB drive.
> Does anybody know an address of somebody who manufactures a little case
> for these small Powerbook drives? Alternatively, does anyone recommend
> getting an external LaCie Pocket- drive or so and swapping the drive
> mechanisms?

I don't know who manufactures them, but a Mac outlet here in Switzerland
carries them. They're not cheap - I think approx 200 Swiss Francs. I've
seen them, they nearly look like LaCie's pocket external drives.

The Address is:  DataQuest AG            phone: [phone]
         Moosmattstrasse 30      fax  : [phone]
         CH-8953 Dietikon
         Switzerland

Best regards, Christian.

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 93 15:29:30 EST
From: [e-mail] (BRUCE HUMPHREY)
Subject: Civilization

I've been looking around to see whether there is a Mac version of the
PC game Civilization.  I've never seen it anywhere.  Can someone
forward me a phone number, (snail) address, or e-mail address of the
company which markets it, whether or not they actually have a Mac
version?

Thanks.

Bruce
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 11:53 -0400
From: P. T. Withington <[e-mail]>
Subject: Crucial Music Question for Spelunx

What is the song Mr. Pseudo plays at his beach house in the Nemo room?
Inquiring minds want to know!

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:51:04 -0800
From: Jerry Wilcox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Desktop Reset

In V11#156, Bill Frazier <[e-mail]> writes:
> I got the Desktop Reset file from Sumex in response to one of the
> postings.  (It is located in info-mac/disk under the new scheme.) It
> comes with no documentation.  Installing a system extension, the
> operation of which is secret, is not really a good idea.

It isn't really secret. Salient provided documentation when DTR was
released, but that was only to registered users of DD/AD, if I recall
correctly. When it proved to be very useful, Salient kindly released it for
free distribution.

All DTR does at restart time is to check and see if you are holding down
the command and option keys (just as you would for a normal desktop
rebuild). If you are not, the extension goes away - it patches nothing,
loads nothing. If you are holding command-option down, DTR opens a dialog
asking if you really want to reset the desktop files on the various mounted
volumes. If you say 'no', once again nothing happens. If you say 'yes',
then DTR deletes the desktop database files, forcing the finder to rebuild
them from scratch after the restart completes. Either way, DTR has not
patched anything nor has it loaded anything at the completion of startup --
at least I've never been able to find any trace of it.

In a sense, DTR isn't really an "extension" since it doesn't patch anything
nor does it load any permanent code. I think of it as a very tiny
application that happens to execute at startup time (where the desktop
files must be reset if they are going to be).

If you prefer, don't have DTR present all the time. I use an extension
manager and normally don't even bother to load DTR. When I want to rebuild
desktops, I "turn on" DTR via the extension manager and then restart. After
I'm all done, I "turn off" DTR, again via the extension manager.

All in all, DTR is a very handy tool, and it has *never* caused me a
moment's problems.

Jerry
-----
Jerry Wilcox - [e-mail]  or [e-mail]
All opinions are mine alone - the University can speak for itself.

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 11:03:22 MET DST
From: Christian F. Buser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Disabling Laserprinter startpage (R)

[e-mail] (William Homer Waits) asked:
> I have a new Tektronix Phaser  200e (Postscript 2 compatible), and I  want
> to be  able to  turn off  the PostScript  Startup page  on startup without
> pulling out the paper drawer when I turn it on. I have herard rumers  that
> this can be done with the  drivers and possibly with a shareware  utility,
> but I am unfamiliar with the  process (driver) and the name of  a possible
> utility. Could anyone please e-mail with with an answer? Also, once I have
> enacted the switch, will pulling the plug affect it or do I have to  leave
> it plugged in? Thanks in advance for the help.

In Apple's LaserWriter Utility there's a menu item which lets you enable
or disable the startup page. Should work also for your printer. The info
is stored permanently and does not go away if you disconnect from power.

Best regards, Christian.

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Date: 05 Aug 1993 12:40:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dwight Lemke @ Wisconsin Oshkosh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fraction Fonts

There are two good fraction fonts in the mac/system.extensions/font/type1
at mac.archive.umich.edu

timesfraction.sit.hqx
fractionfonts2.0.cpt.hqx

-Dwight

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:27 EST
From: "NRN TIA :-)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hiding applications

Dear Netters,
The answer to not having to rename every single application by hand is:
            APPLICON.
Granted, it is an application which can be hidden, and also only shows your
active applications.  But its third "Tile Style" is just a small icon of the
application/DAs that are active.  The way to avoid the problems above, is to
use the Startup Items Folder
 to include an Alias of Applicon and aliases (sp?!) of
your most frequently used Applications in the Startup Items Folder.
Also many hiding application utilities (i.e. by application menu) allow you to
exclude applications from being hidden by simply using Exclude in the
preferences Checklist.  Apollo (Shareware) 1.0 allows this, and therefore you
would exclude Applicon, so it would always be visible.
Hope this helps any netters who hate the names next to the icons.
BTW Applicon using a color set of icons requires 72-512k RAM.
Sincerely,
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:40:22 PDT
From: Les Ferch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hiding the Names of Apps (A)

>I would suggest to the person who wants to tidy up his desktop
>by hiding his Application names that he use the trick that someone
>just offered (about changing the names to " ", "    ", etc.)
>BUT that he only changes the names of his alias to the applications
>not the applications themselves.  That will save possible confusion
>down the road.

Yes, I agree that this sort of thing should just be done with aliases.
However, instead of spaces, another way to go is to use control
characters. That way, each icon can have a one charecter name so that when
they're highlighted you don't get the variations that you would see with
spaces. My personal preference is to keep names, but just shorten them
enough so that none of them overlap (e.g. change "Microsoft Word" to
"Word", "Stuffit Expander" to "Expander", and so on). Again, always
working with aliases.

Now, I leave it as an exercise for the reader to come up with an easy way
to enter control characters into icon names (my method was kind of
convoluted).

P.S. I use the trick of adding a control character in front of folder
names in my main Window so that when I "clean up by name" certain folders
always stay at the top (like System Folder). It sure leaves other Mac
users scratching their head when I clean up by name and the System Folder
just stays stuck in the upper left hand corner. ;-)

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 13:59:10 -0500
From: Ernie Soffronoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: How do I view Pugh's graphics files? (Q)

I've been trying to view some of the pictures in /pub/pugh/pict at
ftp.apple.com but can't get things to work.  I'm binary FTPing them to our WGS
95 (running A/UX 3.01) and then trying to open them using JPEG view, but I get
an error saying that the files aren't pictures.  Quicktime 1.6 is installed
and
working.  Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?  The few files there that are
BinHexed seem to work fine.

Since this probably has an easy answer, please reply to me by mail and I'll
post the solution.

Thanks,

Ernie Soffronoff
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 11:52:44 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Darrah Chavey)
Subject: HyperCard FAQ--doType? doKeystroke? (A)

Allan Hunter <[e-mail]> asks in Info-Mac Digest V11 #156:
>Subject: HyperCard FAQ--doType? doKeystroke?  How the hell...??
>
>....  Stupid infantilizing-yet-opaque manual tells me how
>to make the damn Mac sing "Mary had a little lamb" but doesn't explain
>how to make it TYPE something somewhere.  I wanna be able to hit a
>button and have it understand that by my doing that, I want it to type
>a predetermined keystroke in this or that place.  Serenades and barn
>doors and flashing screens not even necessary.  Just DO THESE KEY-
>STROKES!  Preferably on a separate card (or stack) that would grad-
>ually accumulate a string of digits as the series of cards that have
>the buttons are cycled over and over again and the appropriate buttons
>pushed as telephone interviewees give their answers.  ...
>
>Allan Hunter

on mouseUp
  lock screen            -- so the user doesn't see it typing that text
  push card
  go to next card        -- or wherever you want to store that text
  choose browse tool     -- you're probably already using the browse tool
  click at the loc of cd field TextToSave  -- a field on that card
  type "This is a test"
  pop card
  unlock screen
end mouseUp

In my experience, you were probably missing the line about clicking
somewhere. That click command above clicks at the CENTER of that field.
Thus, if the field is less than about half filled, new text will be
typed at the end of current text. For better control, you need things
like:  put the loc of cd field TextToSave into FieldLoc
       add 30 to item 1 of FieldLoc
       click at FieldLoc
Disclaimer: script tested under Hypercard 2.0. I think it will work on 1.2.5,
   but I didn't test it there.

--Darrah Chavey                  Department of Math & Computer Science
  [e-mail]              Beloit College, Beloit, Wisc.

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:36:29 PST
From: [e-mail] (Salient Software)
Subject: Idea for a product

In article <[e-mail]>
([e-mail]), you write:

    Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 16:02:23 -0600
    From: [e-mail]
    Subject: Idea for a product

    I used to work on some old Xerox Lisp workstations running Interlisp D.
    They had plenty of problems with speed and support, but had some really
    neat features, too. One feature that was a mixed blessing was an
    environment that persisted from boot to boot. Whatever programs you had
    running, whatever windows you had open, whatever processes were in the
    background, when you logged back in they were right there. You would keep
    "clean" images handy, usually a copy of the naked system, and then one
    with
    stuff you always wanted, in addition to the image of your current state.

    Like I say, this was a mixed blessing. My idea for a Mac product would be
    to let you build an image and save it. Then when you boot the system,
    instead of going through all that is involved in loading system software
    (identifying the particular machine, deciding what needs loading, loading
    all the inits and other patches), you could shortcut to just loading
    exactly what was in memory when you made the save. I would think you could
    cut a 2 minute boot time to 10-15 seconds.

    There are some problems, of course. If you updated an application or init
    on your disk which was running in the image, you could get some really
    glorious crashes next time you loaded that image. Adding all the checks to
    make it completely safe would probably take longer than booting normally
    and loading things. Where it would, I think, be useful would be after
    booting all your favorite inits and maybe starting you screen saver.
    Basically what you want to see when you start work in the morning or after
    a crash. The other would be to save everything at the end of the day so
    that it looks exactly the same in the morning. It could also be useful for
    powerbooks (basically sleep mode saved to disk) and for the "green
    machines" that shut off to save electricity.

    Memory requirements would be equal to the amount of RAM you were using.
    Obviously this would be easier for those of us with 8MB or less than for
    those with 32MB. Just thought I would run the idea by the community and
    see
    if it was shot down. If someone makes it into a product, please remember
    me
    when you're rich and famous. I'd at least like a copy!

The products name is Bookmark.

It, according to the frequency you set, saves RAM to disk.  If you
have a crash you can load the previous RAM contents in and continue
where you left off, as of the last save.  You can also make "sets",
I think they were called, so you could have a saved state and have
that load on startup.

According to my 1990 directory it is/was published by:

Intellisoft Int'l
70 Digital Dr.
PO Box 5055
Novato CA  94948

415-883-1188
415-883-2646 fax

I don't know if it is still published or not.

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 14:52:13 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Info-mac CD: where ? (Q)

Hi everybody,

Having just bought a CD Player for my Mac, I would be interested
by the Info-mac CD. Could anybody send me the address and phone #
where I can order this CD ?
Thanks in advance.

            Antoine

PS: I will be out of town during the next weeks and won't be able
to read the News: please do not post but send a mail to
[e-mail]. Once again, thanks.

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 09:51:26 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Dave Martin)
Subject: Integrity...online

>Gee, maybe what everyone says about AOL e-mail problems is true.  That will
>teach me to use AOL for e-mail.  Sorry about that.

For one, dlawrence may have thought you meant his [e-mail]
address. For another, other than some problems with the gateway which were
fixed months ago, there are no current "problems" with email to or from AOL
to the Internet as far as I know, and certainly none internally.

>> Just like the messages you sent to the folks at AOL regarding your uploads,
>> who then forwarded them to me.
>
>Now this comes as a surprise to me.  I thought it was only Plodigy(sic)
system
>operators that pas[sed] around user's private e-mail.  Thanks for the
insight.

If you send a letter to a company, they pass it on to the person/department
responsible for answering the subject of inquiry. That also goes for email.
America Online has a list of contacts within the AOL system (including
forum assistants and such) based on the topic. When I sent email to Steve
Case regarding suggestions for improvements to the download interface for
the Mac software, he (or his staff) forwarded my message to the head of
their internal Mac development team. The AOL staff that received any
complaints or comments from you would not have the authority to act upon
them--so they forwarded them to the person on their list who might or
would.

Comparing that process to reading private email--and, unless the messages
you sent were NOT to an AOL employee or associated member (which forum
managers are) but rather to a regular, unaffilliated AOL user, the email
you sent was NOT "private") or even editing a user's email or posted
message--is not right.

>Based on the AOL's rigidity and the above, I can't think of any reason to
>continue to send AOL my money.

You have that right. I just want to make sure that you are not
misunderstanding and, in so doing, passing on misinformation. When you
first posted complaining about the AOL forum library rejecting your upload
due to not being in StuffIt format (and even then you, through
misunderstanding, were spreading misinformation), I emailed you suggesting
you pose the question to Customer Support (which, if you did, they may have
forwarded to dlawrence, depending on any other referential comments in your
question such as a mention of the forum library). I also suggested you send
a polite email to SteveCase on AOL asking him if there were plans to have
Aladdin update the StuffIt Tool for handling Compact Pro archives, meaning
that either of the two formats could be freely uploaded. As President of
AOL, he would either respond directly or forward your message to someone in
a capacity to give an authoritative response (would NOT be a forum
assistant). He would have the final--and perhaps only--say in the matter of
allowing other formats online.

Like I said, if you are unhappy with a service or the policies currently in
effect, and these are not balanced or overwhelmed by those facets which are
useful to you, then you should terminate your membership.

I just want to make sure that you are not acting rashly because of your
misinterpretation of things. If you are dissatisfied, and wish to tell
others why you dislike AOL, at least now--hopefully--you will be a bit more
informed.

* I am not associated with America Online, Inc. in any way other than as a
  satisfied user.

Dave
-- Dave Martin - TAMU/GERG - [e-mail] - [e-mail] --

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:44:23 PDT
From: Les Ferch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Long filenames in archive (C)

>The most recent file I tried was big-dummys-guide-to-internet.hqx.  My FTP
>client apparently only picked up the beginning of the name (I can't tell
>how many characters).  When it tried to access the file it reported that
>the file was not found.

That file name is 32 characters long, but Mac file names are limited to 31
characters. I think other ftp clients are able to deal with this by just
cutting the name off or modifying it in some way.

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1993 12:22:43 CDT
From: Chip Sample <[e-mail]>
Subject: LW 8.0 Install Procedure??

I know this was beaten to death a month ago, so please respond directly to
me.
I've down loaded the LaserWriter 8.0 software from ftp.apple.com.  Can some
one
reexplain how to install it?  The expanded files won't open because "the
application that created them" isn't around.

Thanks in advance,

Chip

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 14:39:55 BST
From: [e-mail] (James Lawry student tel 2-70511)
Subject: MacWrite Pro updater doesn't work for me!

I downloaded the MacWrite Pro updater to version 1.0v4 yesterday
>From mac.archive.umich.edu (it doesn't seem to be on Sumex yet)
and tried to update my copy of MacWrite Pro v1.0Bv2 (I presume that
the B indicates a British version). When I selected the MacWrite Pro
application on my hard disk for the updater to update, the updater
complained that this program wasn't really MacWrite Pro because
the BNDL 128 resource didn't match. This was true because I had
modified it, so I made a new copy off the distribution disks and
tried to update that instead.

This time the updater program complained that a CERP resource wasn'
right, and once again refused to update the application.

What's going on? I installed the other parts of the update fine
(the new TableEditor ADDit and the two XTND translators).
Does the installer not know about British versions?

Can anyone tell me Claris' e-mail address so I can tell them this?

James Lawry
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 14:22:06 +0200
From: "David C. Roessli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacX requirements

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Path: usenet
From: David C. Roessli <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacX requirements
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 5 Aug 93 13:16:18 GMT
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: Dpt. Anthropology, U of Geneva, Switzerland
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 12:22:02 GMT

Hello world,

I'm interested in MacX, but need a bit info beforehand - and
can't seem to find it around here..

1. Are they different versions of the product (client, server, etc..) ?
2. Does MacTCP 1.1.1 suffice, or must one purchase something else in
   order to get it working properly ?
3. What are the minimum hardware requirements ?
4. How efficient is it ? Any comments, critics ? Can you run an application
   like NCSA's xMosaic on a SPARC next door and have it display on your mac ?

Thanks for any feedback..
I'll summarize to the net if requested.
Cheers,
--
David C. Roessli - Dpt Anthropology & Ecology - U of Geneva  -  SWITZERLAND
Email [e-mail]   Phone [phone]   Fax [phone]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 11:31 EST
From: John Philippo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mailing List & Label Printing Software

My first posting.....................

Due to circumstances entirely under my control ; ) my office of
six individuals is switching from PeeCees to networked
(Ethertalk) Mac 650s.  One of the things we need to address is
moving an existing mailing list/label printing application to the
new computers. Since we have only limited familiarity with the
world of Mac software I wanted to ask if any Info Mac Netters
might have suggestions about good candidate Mac software to fit
this need.

If you respond to me directly I will summarize the information
and post it back to reduce the total # of messages on the list.

John Philippo PHILIPJW@SNYCENVA

Details Follow.


We are presently using a Lotus123/Reportwriter application to
perform this function.  The records are input into a Lotus
spreadsheet.  Reportwriter is invoked to do the sorting and
generation of reports/lists/mailing labels in the format
specified.  The functions we need are:
1. Ability to input names, addresses, phone, fax and e mail info
for over 1000 individuals.
2. Ability to make each individual a "member" of one or more
categories (up to about 30).
3.  Ability to select and print information to reports and 3 up
labels (on a laser printer) for one or more categories.  For
example, print all category 1 and Category 5 labels, printing one
label for any unique individual.
4. Sorting.  For example by zip code and/or name.
5. Ability to flag and import/merge records into Mac Word Perfect
(latest version) for letter generation. [Sorry, but this must be
an invariant]
6. Network access to the database by any of the six Macs with
read/view only restrictions.

We haven't selected a printer yet, but are considering a HP4M.
Within reasonable limits software costs is not a major
consideration, although support is     due to our low level of
experience with the Mac platform at this point in time.

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:20:32 PST
From: [e-mail] (Salient Software)
Subject: MaxAppleZoom & MacLights

In article <[e-mail]>
([e-mail]), you write:

    Date: 3 Aug 1993 17:09:02 GMT-1
    From: [e-mail]
    Subject: MaxAppleZoom & MacLights

...
    AutoDoubler: Does somebody know how to clean files wich have been
    compressed
    by AutoDoubler, preventing the "This file has been compressed by
    AUtoDoubler.." message on macs which don't have it aboard?
...

The way to "clean" the files is to have the AutoDoubler Internal Compressor
expand the files to their original state.

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Date: 05 Aug 93 11:05:54 EDT
From: Mark Heard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Memory for Mac Portable

Greetings!

I have a friend who has a Mac Portable (aka "Luggable", back-lit, if it
matters) who needs more memory installed. He has two 3 MB cards (Apple brand),
but only 1 'slot'.  Can anyone offer _contructive_ comments on how he can use
both memory cards to boost the memory in the Portable? (Please skip "Get a
*real* memory card!", "Get a *real* computer!", etc... he gets all of that
that he needs from his DOS "friends".)  A copy of the schematic for either the
pin layout for the memory 'slot' or the memory card itself would be a big, BIG
help.  Also, the budget for this little project is very small... he has little
or no money to spend and his boss greets requests for more memory with
derisive laughter.

Thanks in advance for your kinder, gentl'r help!

Mark

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 14:51:59 BST
From: [e-mail] (James Lawry student tel 2-70511)
Subject: Modifying Finder 7.1 to show file sizes in k [Q]

Quite a while ago there was a posting about how to modify the Finder
so that the information displayed in folder windows about free space
and space used was in K rather than Mb. I duly did this to my Finder 7.0
but now that I've upgraded to system 7.1 I find the patch doesn't work.
(You go to the relevant part of CODE resource no 23 and replace one
string of bytes with another - but in Finder 7.1 that part of the
resource is completely different!)

Can anyone post an equivalent patch for my new Finder (version B1-7.1)?

Thanks in advance,
James Lawry
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 93 17:09:34 EET
From: Erkko Autio <[e-mail]>
Subject: MS Word 5.1 hyphenation

I have a problem with the hyphenation function of MS Word 5.1. When I
issue the command on US English text, some hyphenating is done, but not
accurately enough: After the hyphenation procedure has been completed, I
am still able to spot words which have not been hyphenated and which I thus
need to hyphenate manually.

Is this just a shortcoming of the program? When will MS Word feature a
setting function with which one could, for example, configure the hy-
phenation feature in such a way that only long words would be hyphen-
ated, and only in the middle? WP has featured such a setting for years now.

I have system 7.0 on Mac II si with 17 MB ROM and a match co-processor.

EA

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 13:09:31 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Thomas Flesher)
Subject: multiple keyboard layouts?

I want to be able to switch between the US keyboard and other
Latin-alphabet keyboards (Polish especially), but I've been told
that dropping the Polish keyboard and script on the US system
will cause them to REPLACE the corresponding US resources.
How can I have both keyboards available? If the solution involves
ResEdit, detailed instructions would be appreciated.

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Date: 5 Aug 93 16:49:00 EST
From: "GINBOX::"Doug_Wilson-2141_EMail""
<"Doug_Wilson-2141_EMail"[e-mail]>
Subject: Navigation Software

 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date:    Thu, Aug 5, 1993 @ 2:47:43 PM
Re:      Navigation Software
I am interesting in software to aid in ship navigation. Specifically, I am
looking for nautical chart software, software to interface to a GPS or Loran
receiver and update position on a digital chart, etc.
Does anyone know if such software exists?
If so please forward information on sources (companies, archive sites, etc).
I will summarize for the list.
If your mailer has trouble replying to my address, try sending to
[e-mail]

Thanks in advance for your help.

Doug Wilson
[phone]

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Date: 05 Aug 93 11:05:45 EDT
From: Mark Heard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Now Compress [Q]

Greetings!

Can anyone offer comment/caveats/etc on Now Compress (a 'transparent' disk
compression utility a la AutoDoubler/DiskDoubler)? Their ads claim it's
better, faster, cleaner, newer, and so on, but I'd be interested in comments
>From a more objective source... that's where you come in!

Mark

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 14:38:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ephraim Fithian <[e-mail]>
Subject: PageMaker Installer Problem

Michael Coyne <[e-mail]> writes:
> I have a complementary copy of the student edition of PageMaker which I am
> trying to install. For some reason, midway through the installation, the
> installer asks for the disk which it is reading from. I have disabled
> all extensions so there is no conflict. Norton's Disk Doctor says
> everything else is O.K. Any suggestions on how to solve this problem
> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

It sounds like the same problem that PM installation programs have had
over the years. You insert Disk-1 and run install. It spits out Disk-1 and
asks for Disk-2. You insert Disk-2 and it spits it out and asks for
Disk-1. You insert Disk-1 again, which it doesn't eject, but asks for Disk-2.

At this point, use shift-command-1 to eject Disk-1 and insert Disk-2.
There are many variations of this technique that will be needed. The newer
PM install programs are more intelligent. BTW, no problems arise if you
have two drives.

A word about the complimentary student edition of PM. The most recent
version that I have is 4.0. This is a good buy for students at about $49
for a manual and three disks of software. The Book/Application are
published by the Benjamin/Cummings division of Addison-Wesley. Instructors
can get the complimentary edition ISBN 0-2-1-58391-7. It is limited to 12
pages total and no Pantone colors, but otherwise is the full version. The
book is not the standard set of manuals from Aldus, but an instructional
manual that teaches you how to use PageMaker.

Ephraim Fithian
Kutztown University of PA
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 13:46:57 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Dane Spearing)
Subject: Personal LaserWriter NTR bug!

There is apparently a bug in the Personal LaserWriter NTR firmware
which prevents it from properly calculating DDP checksums. For normal
printing from a Mac over localtalk, this doesn't seem to present a problem.
However, anything that asks for a DDP checksum will get a "%Not responding"
error; for example, printing to the NTR via CAP from a UNIX machine.
>From the UNIX end, this is easily solveable by using the '-k' option
for the CAP programs that normally request a DDP checksum, such as
'atlook' and 'papif', which disables the DDP checksumming.

Just thought I'd pass this along, since it caused me a few days of
headaches when setting up my new NTR to print via CAP.

       Dane Spearing       | Dept of Geology     |  [phone]
<--------------------------| Stanford University |---------------------->
  [e-mail] | Stanford, CA  94305 |  [phone]  FAX

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 13:13:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ephraim Fithian <[e-mail]>
Subject: PhotoShop Upgrade

I understand that the 2.5.1 upgrade to PhotoShop is available on the Adobe
forum in Compu$erve. Would some kind soul be thoughtful enough to upload
it to Sumex (or somewhere on Internet) so that those of us who are not
fortunate enough to have Compu$erve accounts can get it. Thanks.

Ephraim Fithian
Kutztown University of PA
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Eric Burger)
Subject: Privacy on the net

Forwarded message from [e-mail]:
>
> In Info-Mac Digest V11 #155, David Lawrence writes:
>
> >By the way, once you send a message to me, it's *my* decision, not yours,
> >whether or not it remains private
>
> He is incorrect.  There was a court case recently involving letters
> (snailmail)
> send by someone famous to someone else.  The someone else wanted to publish
> the (scandalous) contents.
>
> The courts ruled that the receiver owned the paper the letters were written
> on, but the sender owned and controlled the copyright on the words
> themselves.
>
> I'm sure someone can fill in the details, but that's the general idea

Unfortunately, there was another court case that stated that since
e-mail is inherently insecure, and people using e-mail generally
understand this, e-mail is *not* protected.

--
--  Eric William Burger       --  [e-mail]  --
--  The Telephone Connection  --  Tel. [phone]       --
--  15200 Shady Grove Road    --  Fax. [phone]       --
--  Rockville, MD  20850      --  U.S.A.                     --

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 93 17:24:20 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Privacy on the net (C)

In Info-Mac Digest V11 #156, Jonathan Brecher (referring to previous
Digests #155 and #151) writes,

>He is incorrect.  There was a court case recently involving letters
>(snailmail) send by someone famous to someone else.  The someone else
>wanted to publish the (scandalous) contents.
>
>The courts ruled that the receiver owned the paper the letters were written
>on, but the sender owned and controlled the copyright on the words
>themselves.

  But there is nothing that the sender can do to prevent the receiver
>From showing the letter to somebody else.  In any case, only ten lines
were quoted, five of which were themselves quotes.  It would be hard not
to consider that quotation for the sake of review or criticism.

Shih Tung
Chem E
Best l'il Tech School
in Cambridge

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:17:38 -0400
From: :cfoc::mrgate::"a1::stovaljw"@cfoc
Subject: Process Control Chart Toolkit

From:   NAME: JEFFREY W. STOVALL
    FUNC: CF PD-TECHNICAL
    TEL: [phone]                   <STOVALJW AT A1 AT CFOC>
To:     "INFO-MAC     @SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU" AT ESDS01 AT MRGATE


Does anybody on Info-Mac know where I can find a recent copy of
Process Control Chart Toolkit?  It's a Microsoft Basic Runtime
program.  We currently have version 4.05, copyright 1985.  The
author's name is listed as J. Heitzeburg.

I'd like to either: 1. Find a newer version that works on System
7, 2. Find the source code, 3. or, find the author.

I don't have direct access to Internet, so I can't search on-line
directories.  Has anybody used or heard of this program?

- Jeff Stovall ([e-mail])

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 08:31:55 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Request for music notation demos

I just got a copy of a MusicTime demo the other day, and decided I'd like to
see some more Mac music notation software demos before committing myself to
this one.  Does anybody have such a beast available, that they would share?
I'd really appreciate it; one hates to jump into a $200-400 purchase without
a bunch of info.

Thanks; please email me directly if you can help
at
[e-mail]

--Brandon

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Date: 5 Aug 93 15:21:17 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Marc S)
Subject: Shared and copy-protect bits

Does anyone know of a utility or method that can be used to set all the shared
bits or all the copy-protect bits for all applications on a server.

It is a Novell Netware server.

Is Resedit scriptable, could an applescript script be written to accomplish
this?

If you have any suggestions please email me.

Marc ([e-mail])

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 09:15:20 CDT
From: [e-mail] (John Matthews)
Subject: SIMMDoubler Experience

A few weeks ago I posted a request for experiences related
to SIMMDoubler.  One reply was kind of negative, relative to
a similar product available a couple of years ago.  Another
reply was positive, so I took the plunge.  For $139+shipping
one gets 4 modules each with 2 positions that accept 1- and/or
4-MB SIMMs (30 pins ones for Mac II series systems).  I was
able to upgrade my IIsi from 5 to 9 MB with it, no tools needed.
It is a tight fit with some PDS or NuBus cards, but my Lapis
video card is ok.  Some accelerator cards won't fit, though.

Anyway, it seems a fairly inexpensive way to get more use out
of all those extra 1MB SIMMs floating around out there.  I'm
not connected with MicroMac, just a satisfied customer.  For
more info, see their ad in the September MacWorld, page 322,
or call them at 714-362-1000.

John Matthews           AT&T:           INTERNET:       AOL:
Cray Research, Inc.     612/683-5704    [e-mail]    [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 14:29:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ephraim Fithian <[e-mail]>
Subject: SoundEdit Pro with Sound Manager 3.0

John Churchill <[e-mail]> writes:
> The title says it all.  I haven't tried with the old Sound Edit,
> but with Pro there is definitely a problem with playing stuff back-- it
> starts out okay, but only for the first two seconds.  Program
> also appears erratic.  After moving the new sound manager out of the
> extensions folder (to disable it), Sound Edit Pro works just fine.  This
> could be a problem with the way SE-Pro was written: it also does not work
> on a Quadra (unless you disable the cache).  Anyone else find problems
> with the new sound manager?  (Actually, I haven't seen any benefits yet.)

It sounds like the problem is elsewhere. I am currently running a Quadra
700 and Sound Manager 3.0 and SoundEdit Pro 1.0. I also have QT 1.6.1
installed, although that shouldn't have an effect. I do not have the cache
turned off. Benefits? I like the way it converts the Simple Beep.

Ephraim Fithian
Kutztown University of PA
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 12:47:20 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Joe Yan)
Subject: The IIsi sound problem--the reason

>
>         Our IIsi has started to lose its sound capabilities.  It's OK on
> startup but after an hour or so it's completely mute.
>

This problem occurs on LC's and IIsi's.  The speaker gets its power and
signals through metal tabs that press against the logic board.  The tabs
could corrode, and this would result in a dead speaker.  The sound goes
on and off on my IIsi also.  I usually give it a light tap and the sound
comes back on again.  (Don't ask.)

Other things that get their signals from tabs are the disk access light
and the fan.  The important thing to look out for is the fan.  If your
IIsi or LC isn't making the usual fan noises, check the air coming out
>From the back.  If there is no air, you'd best take it to a repair
shop.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 16:46:27 EST
From: Scott Kaplan           <[e-mail]>
Subject: Windows NT (C)

In Info-Mac #156, Richard Smith <[e-mail]> responded:

>>       -Is WindowsNT the new PC operating system and is it out yet?
>
>Windows anything is an application, and, despite the efforts of the Gates
>clan,
>can never truthfully be described as an operating system :-) (unless my
>information is totally incorrect and MicroSoft have completely re-written
the
>code so that WindowsNT replaces MS-DOS rather than interferes with the way
>DOS tries to run the computer.)

I'm afraid your information is totally incorrect (to use your own words...)
While Windows 3.1, and possibly the upcoming (but still VERY VaporWareish)
Windows 4.0 are still just programs running on top of MS-DOS, Windows NT is
in fact a complete rewrite from the ground up.

To answer the original question, however, Windows NT is no longer considered
by MicroSoft to be the "new PC operating system" for everyone as they had
originally planned.  It's large (REALLY large...8 megs of RAM and some 80
megs of disc space absolute minimum to make the thing load at all, mostly
unusuable without 16 megs RAM, 150 meg HD, at least a 50 MHz 486...), it's
not very well supported yet (few Windows NT apps yet, and the emulation of
Windows 3.1 stuff runs about 15% slower), and it's future is very
questionable.  Right now, MicroSoft is billing it as a high-end workstation
and workgroup server OS.  With the many years of development, knowledge, and
power that has been put into UNIX, NT faces a *very* tough battle to win
those markets.

So, if you're just looking for what OS to run on your computer at home, or
even in the office...Unless you're Joe Power-User and want to take a big
risk running an OS that, IMHO, just doesn't have anything to offer over
UNIX, don't bother with NT right now.

Scott Kaplan
IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
[e-mail]
These opinions are mine, but I'm willing to share.

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 09:30:04 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: WindowsNT - (C)

>>       -Is WindowsNT the new PC operating system and is it out yet?

>Windows anything is an application, and, despite the efforts of the Gates
>clan,
>can never truthfully be described as an operating system :-) (unless my
>information is totally incorrect and MicroSoft have completely re-written the
>code so that WindowsNT replaces MS-DOS rather than interferes with the way
DOS
>tries to run the computer.)

>If WindowsNT *is* out yet, it's probably worh waiting for two or three years
>for
>WindowsNT 3.xx to come out - y'know, the version that mostly works, with most
>of
>the bugs removed!

I don't know if NT is out yet but, I saw it and played with it at the spring
Decus, and it seems to be a solid, and very powerful operating system, but if
you don't like Windows, you probably won't like NT.  One of the designers of
NT
was on the team that developed the VMS operating system, and as a result, many
of NT's system manangement features look very VMSish.  I won't get into the
feature that I liked about it, since PCs are not the focus of this group.

I know positive messages about Microsoft and Windows tend to get flamed around
here, but I figured some readers might be interested.

Alberto L. Zuniga - Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
[e-mail] (preferred)  or  [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:09:17 -0600
From: USENET News System <[e-mail]>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Path: rintintin.Colorado.EDU!lorenzo
From: [e-mail] (Eric Lorenzo)
Subject: Using MH burst with the Digest?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (USENET News System)
Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 16:09:14 GMT
Lines: 15


I was wondering if anyone was familiar with the MH command: burst.  I
can't seem to get it to work with the Digest I get through e-mail.  Every
time I try to execute it, I get:

burst: message 6 not in digest format, continuing...

Anyone have success with bursting the Digest into the original seperate
messages?

Thanks,
Eric
--
Eric J. Lorenzo
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 13:59:25 -0600
From: USENET News System <[e-mail]>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.digest
Path: rintintin.Colorado.EDU!lorenzo
From: [e-mail] (Eric Lorenzo)
Subject: Keyboard II vs. Ext. Keyboard and 3rd party keyboards
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (USENET News System)
Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 19:59:21 GMT
Lines: 20


I was looking through the Apple Catalog and saw the blurbs on the Keyboard
II and the extended keyboard.  Their pictures were the same as far as having
the same keys and all that.  What's the difference or was this just a
printing mistake on Apple's part? (I'm looking at the summer 93 catalog).

Also I'm curious what 3rd party extended keyboards people are familiar with.
I'm using a MacPro Plus from Keytronics, but I'm just not happy with the
feedback I get when typing.  I don't think replacing the rubber bumpers with
a different set would help though.  I don't like the apple extended keyboards
as the enter key is not 'L' shaped, and the pipe (|) is up on top of the enter
key.  PC (still think that's a huge misnomer =) keyboards have always felt
the most comfortable to me.  This Zenith data systems I'm clicking away on
right now is totally what I'm looking for in a keyboard for my C610.

Any feedback will be appreciated,
Eric
--
Eric J. Lorenzo
[e-mail]

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